Prior to May 2017, TheGreenAge had an extremely popular and heated forum page dedicated to infrared heating. We’ve recently taken down our forums as part of our website redesign. We’ve made it easier for our readers to leave us a comment on the bottom of the page, related to this particular blog/article OR share any feedback on our numerous social media channels.
Your thoughts
We thought we’d collate some of your comments on infrared to help people decide if infrared might be good for them.
This blog is structured in two parts. The first part is a short ‘most popular questions and answers’, put together from our perspective based on the feedback from numerous installers, manufacturers and retailers, and the other consumers who had them installed and used them in their properties for a while.
The second part of it relates to feedback we’ve been sent.
How have the infrared heaters performed since they have been installed?
This is a rather subjective point, with many consumers experiencing infrared heaters differently, but by in large (over 90%) find that they work very well.
In our experience, the infrared heaters work really well when they have been sized correctly to the rooms they are trying to heat. If you under-size your system, they you may find that the rooms take a long time to get up to the target temperature and the panels themselves will be working very hard. It is never a bad time at this point to oversize your system, which would be going for a panel size or a series of panels emitting a larger heating output that required for the particular room. If you oversize the system and you have actually added a programmer and thermostat to the zone, you will then find the heaters get to the target temperature rather quicker and will turn off accordingly as the room reaches its thermal mass.
Obviously, there have been some issues with heaters not emitting the output as they say on the label, and in these instances we have always advised the consumers to go and speak to the manufacturers to re-test those heaters to see if they are performing as expected.
A view from the forum:
Troy commented
Are they worth it you ask? Well it all depends on what you have at the moment, type of property you have and how you use your heating system. I am also off grid and switched from storage electric to infrared. Saving was about 27.5% on bills – due to better thermostatic control and more focused and directional heat. So I didn’t need to heat all rooms with high intensity. If you do go for Infrared go with a decent brand and make sure you oversize them whatever you do. Last thing you want is to have it like a few people on here that undersized the requirements. They take a bit of time to get going so 30mins or so for the room to feel cosy, but then I just have them coming on and off on a timer.
Karl1973 commented:
Hi Maggie, the infrared will heat up the outside walls and therefore help alleviate damp. Suggest you oversize them though to make sure they do the job! (i.e. if company suggest 50w per m2, go for 75w when you size your panel).
Hope that helps 🙂
Milind Keer commented:
Our house is 3 bed semi detached with solid bricks (no insulation). We installed Infrared Panels 2 years back as per the guidelines given by provider. Our personal observation these are slightly costlier especially in core winter (Nov to Feb) when on an avg outside temp is 0 to 6 degree. These panels take longer time to heat the room e.g. the hallway panel takes almost 12+ hour to heat our hallway and that too only 17 degree. If we want 21 degree temperature in our house then we have to keep them on for many many hours. I am presuming this could be because our house is solid brick with no proper insulation. Could you please advise what can be done to improve the efficiency? As of now we are very disappointed with them.
Our verdict: Mr Keer was probably sold an undersized system for the property he was trying to heat.
One massive consideration to take into account as per what Mr Keer mentions – you need to consider how well insulated your existing property is. If the property has solid brick walls and little insulation, you will need an above-average sized system to get your rooms to the thermal mass that you are trying to achieve at 21 degrees Celsius.
What brand of infrared heater or infrared heating panel should I go for?
We get asked this question quite a lot, and in the UK there are a currently a few well-recognised brands like Herschel, Redwell, Welltherm and Funky Heat, which will probably supply you with a decent heater but also offer good customer support.
These brands are competing with up and coming names like Koenighaus and other smaller manufacturers who are trying to get a hold of the market here in the UK. While the main brands mentioned have a large European manufacturing and technical design processes, they are increasingly manufacturing the heaters in China and South Korea, where they can be produced at lower cost and sold cheaper to the final consumer.
Consumers however do need to be mindful that there are an increasing number of purely Chinese-based producers who are trying to sell as many heaters at ‘dumping’ prices, and very questionable quality. Our main tip is to always check whether they have a UK office or a UK designated support service. Many companies don’t even have a UK presence, and once the sold heater has issues, they are increasingly hard to get a hold of. That coupled with a lack of technical support during the pre- and post-installation has lead to the biggest consumer outcry about some of these infrared panels.
A view from the forum:
Jonathan Gilbert commented:
Definitely fit FAR-IR, and when it comes to Chinese panels, as with all Chinese products, some are good, some are bad. I use Chinese and have a friend in Thailand that liaises to maintain quality. When I had four blow their safety resistors because the voltage was over 264 at a site for a while, despite this not being the fault of the panels they changed them immediately and re-designed the panels for this specific customer’s voltage, and all for free. Also, beware the “English” panels as I have it on good authority they are made elsewhere and badged up in the UK.
Anyone who says gas central heating must be more cost effective because gas is cheaper, doesn’t understand just how much FAR-IR really does reduce power consumption.
The biggest problem in the UK is a reluctance of formal (supposedly impartial) organisations, that will only acknowledge the benefits of FAR-IR if we pay them a lot of money. I was asked for £500k to get a system that reduces carbon emissions and works as well in 30 years as it does on day one (completely unlike furred up central heating systems) recognised on the SAP calculations for just how good it is.
So where was I…Yes get FAR-IR fitted and never look back, as long as a reputable manufacturer with a good warranty (5 years, 10 years) either will do as it will fail in first few days if at all..
Les1111 commented:
We bought some infrared panels which it turns out were made in china and they are rubbish compared to our old dimplex heaters.
Susan Shaw commented:
Infrared is becoming extremely popular now here in the UK. Go for brand leaders like Herschel or Redwell though, since there are lots of chinese imitation infrared heating panels already flooding the market that aren’t nearly as efficient.
Shane commented:
I bought a couple of panels 560w each from a dealer of a UK manufacturer, they are doing a great job, I must admit I was cynical at first, especially the claim to be UK made, but having checked them out I can be confident that they are made here in the UK and they do work very well.
ChrisDER commented:
We went for Redwell infrared. Expensive but work well.
Our verdict: If the product looks very cheap, and the company is promising you the earth about performance, then it must be too good to be true!
Finally, look for the warranty period offered by the manufacturer. Most reputable manufacturers will offer a product warranty of 5 or 10 years.
Does infrared heating actually save money on your heating bills?
The energy saving aspect of infrared heaters is there, but to compare it to gas heating for example is not exactly comparing like-for-like. Infrared heating certainly won’t cut your energy bills by 90% unless you are doing something really wrong today and you have a very inefficient and wasteful heating system. On the other hand we wouldn’t ever recommend someone rip up their gas central heating system and completely replace it with infrared. This is because the price of gas is about a third of the price of electricity, and wet central heating operates completely differently to a standalone electric radiator.
Therefore when looking at infrared as an energy saving measure, it is better to compare it to existing electric heating sources like electric convector panels or storage heaters. According to Herschel Infrared heating (an infrared heating manufacturer based here in the UK), by replacing an old storage heater system with infrared could save up to £30 per month on an average size UK property.
Here are some of the views from the forum:
James Baines commented:
Comparing a Boiler to Far Infrared (FIR) is kind of comparing apples and oranges:
- Boilers – Provides Hot water AND heating through radiators @ 4.29 (pence/kWh)
- FIR – Provides Heating @ 10.489 (pence/kWh) (prices found @ https://www.ukpower.co.uk/home_energy/tariffs-per-unit-kwh & https://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/content/our-calculations
Conventional Convection Radiator Heating is extremely wasteful, often rads are covered with sofas or installed under windows for space saving which means they are extremely inefficient and loss and waste % is a lot higher although you are right the cost is less. FIR heats rooms much more efficiently with very low levels of wastage however you don’t get hot water!
Henry from the EcoStore commented:
James, we have done many a study as well, and as you may see we are firm believers of Infrared as a heating source, as we retail these products. However, a gas boiler being almost 90% efficient and costing 3.5p/kW will be cheaper in the end than Infrared at 12.5p/kW. Granted, the Infrared panels don’t have to use as much energy, but the energy they do use is vastly more expensive. Our studies show that Infrared panels are efficient, but not enough as to reach the 77% difference on an existing property, but may well work better if you are installing the system from scratch on a new build.
There is certainly a sunk cost to take into account if you are wanting to rip out your gas central heating system, that many manufacturers or retailers don’t take into account.
Nesta van der Wielen commented:
We have installed infrared heating in our home and are panicking about the electricity being used. Is it advisable to zone off parts of the house which are not used every day and what minimum temperatures should we set for during the night. Some of our panels are Czechslovakian manufactured. Has anyone any experience of these?
Ray commenting on a previous post:
“I should point out that although we thoroughly recommend infrared for off grid properties and as additional heating in gas heated properties, gas is still the cheapest way to heat a home. This isn’t a question of efficiency, but purely because gas is so much cheaper than electricity per unit.”
I tend to disagree Alan, it is just what is cheaper per unit, “Low Energy” products use less energy therefore the cost to heat/light a home is less.
I am in the Low Energy product market and would be happy to provide some case studies on infrared. It will become the new solution to heating home especially because of the health benefits that come with it as well.
Our verdict: As you can see the evidence is still ambiguous as to whether infrared heating can heat the property as efficiently as a gas boiler. On the one hand infrared heating uses lower energy output to heat the same useful area, but unlike gas it requires electricity to power it, which is 3 times more expensive than than the price of gas.
While we would suggest infrared heating as a supplementary heating source if you already has gas central heating in the property, we don’t recommend ripping up your system and starting from scratch with infrared heating.
However, if you are constructing a new build or you are undertaking a significant refurbishment project, then we would recommend giving infrared heating a go. It has the advantage of using less space and aesthetically it could blend in a lot better to the new surroundings than conventional radiators.
What next for the infrared heating debate?
As mentioned at the top of this blog, the point of this page is to open this up to comments and questions from you as the readers. If you have questions about infrared heating and are considering having it installed to your property, then certainly leave a note in the comment box below, and one of our energy experts can come back to your OR your comments will be visible for other manufacturers and experts in this field to also have a chance to respond.
I am looking at heating my kitchen, diner and bathroom. They are really close to one another. Can I have one thermostat that does all those rooms or have I missed a trick?
Hi Terry
I imagine that would be possible with most providers, though will depend on the control options available. Personally been reading about FIR and control options and have noted that Herschel should do what you want.
You could place their single zone thermostat [1] in a central location, then pair 3 wireless receivers [2] to control the heater in each room.
[1] https://www.herschel-infrared.co.uk/product/iq-single-zone-heater-control-pack/
[2] https://www.herschel-infrared.co.uk/product/iq-r1-receiver-unit/
We have a weekend cottage with oil central heating. The oil tank now needs to be replaced and the rules are quite tight about where it is placed, so it is going to be expensive – we have been quoted £2,600 for a standard mounting or more than £4,000 to bury it. We were wondering whether it would make sense to replace the whole system with electric heating? We don’t use much energy, but unfortunately, the current system is quite new – less than 10 years old – so I am reluctant to pull out all the radiators, boiler etc. What would readers recommend?
I bought some cheap Chinese panels a couple of years ago. One or two still working but they all have burn marks everywhere. Can you recommend any brands that won’t explode or burn or make a noise when I am watching t.v.. THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP!
I am looking to renovate a cottage with solid walls which is over 150 years old. First consideration is to insulate floor, roof and walls to bring them up to date. The existing space heating system is an oil fired boiler as no gas available. I am looking to install under floor heating as a wet system run off an electric boiler. But now looking to reconsider this as infra red heats the fabric of the building!! Will the infra red panels just take the chill off the floor?
I am looking to place an IR panel oposite a mirror wall, would this be a problem or affect there performance?
I am investigating infrared to find out its effect on relative humidity Vs gas central heating because I have hardly any tears and some days I am in agony because of the dry air.
hi did you find any answers? i’m worried about installing for this reason!
I live in a retirement flat with 3 x night storage heaters which are 18 years old and are giving off a very pungent, acrid, paraffin smell. As they are obsolete I cannot get them sorted so am thinking of replacing them with Infra Red panels – can anyone recommend which ones I should buy and Is this a good idea – there is no gas so I have to have electric heating. Thank you
Hi Joe – you’re situation is very close to mine – I’m not sure if you have night-saving electricity rates, but that is the main blocker for me in terms of replacing the old storage heaters as opposed to the IR panels which do not benefit from the cheaper night rates – (Ireland here so not sure what the comparative term for ‘night rate’ is in the UK – suspect its something like ‘economy 7’. Frankie
Hi Joe,
What kind of size are the rooms you want to heat?
Hi i am looking to replace storage heaters is IF the way to go? Why are they not recognised on the epc cert.
I am building a detached domer in a sheltered area. It’s 10m x 9 m approx at foundation. It has to be very well insulated as per building regs. We don’t really want to use Gas. Too costly to install, pipes everywhere and still uses electric to run it, also the producton of gas is not so good on the environment etc. On finding the “green age site” it’s the first I’ve heard of infrared heating. I don’t like the idea of underfloor and bio too expensive. I’m thinking of electric shower x2 and a cylinder for 1 bath 2 sinks and kitchen sinks. White goods are cold feed anyway. Would really appreciate advice.
We just put up an Ecora panel (from Sakutus) in our approx 13 sqm TV room. After 1.5 hours I still don’t feel any significant temperatur change, especially floor tiles and furniture don’t seem to heat up at all. Can’t imagine, we are undersized for this small area. Does anyone have any experience with the specific supplier/product? It’s a European brand producing in Czech Republic. Thanks!
Just got a huge pannel and sitting less than a meter from it. It’s been on for 6 hours fee no warmth at all, even the fabric of chair feels no different to same chair in the other room. I’m so disappointed as the electric is the only thing burning up. Lol. Cost me over 400 to find this out.
I would agree that, on a day to day basis, far Infrared heating is more expensive to run than a good gas system, simply because the difference in gas/electricity price. There is one aspect though that never gets mentioned. There are no, non whatsoever, maintenance issues with good infrared panels. No leaks, no new boilers, no safety checks, no annual service etc. Therefore the realistic running cost of a Infrared system are lower.
Hi, I am buying a small flat which only has a couple of storage heaters in it with no central heating. The property is an old victorian building probably with little insulation and a bit damp in the kitchen and one corner of the living room. The living room is 14ftx16ft, the bedroom similar and the kitchen about 14ft square. Please could you recommend what infrared panels would be suitable and will they heat the walls do help with the damp? I also have a query about how much of a room would actually be heated specifically because, if its cold, I don’t want my clothes in the wardrobe to get damp and also, I have a collection of ceramics and pottery that would suffer and potentially shatter if there are very cold areas in the living room if the panels only heat a specific area. Will infrared keep my belongings safe from cold and damp. Really appreciate your advise on this matter. Please could you also give me your opinion on costings- my understanding is that I would save a considerable amount of money not having to put in a new gas central heating system and boiler – is this correct? Many thanks, Debs
Nice blog. It will surely help beginners update their knowledge. The efforts you have put in to create the posts are quite interesting. Looking forward to seeing you soon in a new post.
However, you may feel that they are at a loss when confronted with a wide variety of infrared heaters available these days.
Nice blog. It will surely help beginners update their knowledge. The efforts you have put in to create the posts are quite interesting. Looking forward to seeing you soon in a new post.
I’ve got one room – the kitchen – which has no central heating in it (it’s an extension by the previous owner) and is very cold in winter time. As there is little free wall space (cupboards, and the like) would a FAR-IR unit be worth considering? The room is only around 3mx2.5m so a 500W heater would probably be adequate. Other question is, are they essentially plug in and switch on or is there a lot of installation required? Sorry if the questions are rather naïve, but I’ve only today even heard of FAR-IR heating and think it’s worth exploring as an option for the kitchen.
I would have thought that, with the introduction of more intelligent tariff tracking, as offered by Octopus, such a heating system may now be less costly to run and more attractive a proposition (I’m certainly considering if tor replacing a hous3 heated by storage heaters).
Jus bought a 1.2 x 0.7 m 900w pannel and stand feet for over 400 euro. 22sq m space heating as advertised. I was looking forward to sitting in front of it and being warm. It heated surface very quickly bit I couldn’t feel any warmth in my chair less than 0.8m away. Ok as room not been heated in a week I gave it some time. 6 hours later I was no warmer. I could only feel mild skin warming within .05 m from surface. I am so glad I didn’t pay big money to have it mounted on ceiling and hidden cables etc how would the heat ever reach me sitting 2m below. It’s irish built prima brand. What am I doing wrong! as everything I see on Internet say they are cosy. I bought this as a try out intending to fit all around my 3 bed house as oil boiler needs replacing and I was looking for greener alternative. House block built but has been wall pumped and loft insulation and BER rated vastly improved to B3. Whole house was warm within 15 minutes of old oil boiler being on and extra benefits of hot water not just the 1 room. This is my very first experience of far pannels I’ve never seen them anywhere so I don’t even know if it’s working as it should or if delivered faulty. Would very much appreciate your advice.
Hi Adrienne – would be really interested to hear if you have had any responses to your question as I am about to fork out a considerable sum to have ceiling IR panels installed in my flat. My worry is that if they take away my storage heaters, I could be left without any real heat source. I just wonder if your situation developed beyond what you describe and if it improved matters or made them worse. Many thanks, Frankie
Troy’s comment makes no sense. He said, “I am also off grid and switched from storage electric to infrared. Saving was about 27.5% on bills – due to better thermostatic control and more focused and directional heat.” If he is off-grid then why is he getting electricity bills?
My question concerns replacing storage heating in apartments (electric powered heating being the only option) with IR panels. In Ireland like the UK (I think), apartments use what we call a ‘night-rate’ but this is only useful for storage heating in that the heat is released in a controlled way during high rate-daytime usage. I would love to hear about the experiences of UK apartment dwellers who have transitioned from traditional storage heating to IR panels, no merely in terms of expense but living issues such as drying laundry. I have long used a corner heater with a non-element Dymplex floor airer on which I place a vertical clothes horse to dry clothes. Not convinced an IR panel could be as effective in that the airer is circulating warmed air from the storage heater. Thus far, I have found it very difficult to get answers to these questions, so would be most grateful for any advice or opinion. By the way, are you permitted in the UK to put your Washer/Dryer into the bathroom or is it against building standard regulation?
I’m looking at a “creeping” installation of an alternative heating system in combination with an expanding solar installation. Does this sound feasible?
Interesting reading and comments. No mention of Carbon efficiency for electric heating, though. It’s not ALL about money, although the maintenance & replacement cost of heating systems needs to be considered.